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 作者  lamerbleue (1amerb1eue)                                看板  Gossiping 
 標題  [爆卦] 洪姓下士事件整理懶人包                                          
 時間  Fri Jul  5 12:25:34 2013                                               
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一連看了很多篇相關文章
各文章內都有一些訊息，訊息蠻分散的，於是統整
部分文句恕刪或精簡，有缺漏請補

這件事情太令人憤怒，
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青藍色是引述出處 綠色是重點提示 紫色是重點內文
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(引述ugvu)
 https://www.facebook.com/people/洪仲丘/1702583712
內有家屬聯絡方式，
（有回應寫：胡XX 誰給我真相！！仲丘過世了！！
　0922303688仲丘的舅舅！！3小時前來自手機）


(引述unique681)
1.身體健檢紀錄需有醫生核定
  這是完成緊閉文最重要的手續之一 需附在緊閉文文件中
  首先會請將緊閉生到醫務所告知進而檢查製作紀錄
  不論是否需經過驗血
  健檢文件上一定會有醫生認同該員可禁閉的簽名
  找簽名醫生就對了

2.禁閉文一定要有輔導紀錄
  關禁閉前需填寫身心評量表 該評量表是否正確經過計分
  洪弟兄若未達標準當然不可禁閉
  往輔導處查 如沒該文件或分數未達 禁閉文不可能成立

3.緊閉是否違憲(抓這點對家屬有利)
  首先搞清楚 緊閉(兵專用)、悔過(士官專用)等同關緊閉 只是名稱不同
  緊閉這項處理罰責 並非軍法 嚴格來說只是軍中拿來處罰人的一種手段
  是否違反憲法第八條 人身限制方面

(引述ugvu)
4.公布當初奉核定的簽呈，和發文軍團的文號，
內有體檢報告、人評會、當事人自白書、心輔官約談記錄
現在國軍公文採線上，無法事後再補
禁閉的法律程序只要沒走完，不管軍方說再多東西，拿再多資料，就是私刑
至少辦到旅長，軍團人行處憲兵官等等一個都逃不了。
軍方現在巴不得大家都去吵軍方不當管教，
這樣就可以把罪推給戒護士，然後輕輕鬆鬆一個下士就可以結案了，
結果媒體笨的還以為炒到新聞...

5.請269旅公佈當天禁閉室室長、副室長在那？
如果在營為何不管？如果不在營的話...

6..驗屍什麼的都是後話了，
把最初下令的人、開人評會的人、所有有簽名、過章的人都找出來，
不可能所有的人都一起造假。
只要當初營級沒發文，旅級沒會辦，文卷室沒有發文，一切都是非法，涉及妨害自由。

陸海空軍刑法第44條 第44條（凌虐部屬罪）
長官凌虐部屬者，處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。
致人於死者，處無期徒刑或七年以 上有期徒刑；
致重傷者，處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑。
上官或資深士兵藉勢或藉端凌虐軍人者，處五年以下有期徒刑。
致人於死者，處無期 徒刑或七年以上有期徒刑；
致重傷者，處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。
長官明知軍人犯前二項之罪，而包庇、縱容或不為舉發者，
處三年以下有期徒刑、拘役或新臺幣三十萬元以下罰金。

總而言之，再什麼不當管教只是中軍方的計，
軍方巴不得家屬覺得是不當管教。
陸海空軍懲罰法 第 8 條 陸海空軍現役軍人應受懲罰之過犯如左：
八、領導無方，管訓失當者。 記個申誡就沒事情了....

(引述ugvu轉錄的 與洪姓弟兄同單位的弟兄fb顯示所言)
7, 吳xx 范xx陳xx跟RHQ新副連 這四人被點名

8.542旅部連兩位士官牽著連長鼻子走
這兩位士官我們各屆的退伍弟兄都一直在隱忍
他們一直都在利用連長的好說話 心腸軟在為非作歹
今天為什麼會有這麼多的旅部連弟兄會跳出來轉發這篇文章
因為所有的人都知道 這兩個人 就是把這位洪姓弟兄推入火坑的兇手

9.連上上至志願役軍官 下至志願役士兵 都看過帶違禁品
何況是那兩位住在官舍的高階士官
我都曾經看過那位士官 從口袋拿出智慧型手機

10.今天仲丘是有錯 但是你們有必要如此"積極"的把他送入禁閉嗎
你們對志願役義務役根本是兩套標準

11.這位下士是我的學弟，這件事情在於洪跟連上兩位老士官有過節，
正常送禁閉流程要等體檢報告出來後才能送，
兩位士官禮拜四送他去體檢，硬要院方當天將體檢報告做出，
隔天馬上送至269禁閉，這中間的流程有很嚴重的問題

12.洪人際關係非常好!只是很愛跟士官長唱反調
所以說白了點就是被抓到機會抓去修理了!
洪上星期收假被門口待命班安檢到MP3，立刻在星期四體檢，星期五送禁閉7天

13.今天重點在於把人玩死了，況且是在禁閉室把人玩死了，軍方說法跟本是混淆視聽，
再來，他今天帶的是mp3並非智慧型手機，軍方再度說謊，連死人都要誣衊

(原PO注: 目前竟有三種說法 洪員帶mp3/帶智慧型手機/帶mp3+智慧型手機
但不管是哪三種說法 請問確實的證據在哪?)


14.帶違禁品固然有錯, 如有法源規定可送禁閉的話也沒錯
需要作戰副旅長何x忠出面橋個禁閉位置給一個剩下不到半個月的義務役去關
其心可議

15. 來自去年管禁閉室的義務役消息
禁閉室有72hr的錄影  要趁時限內取得
時間過了就會被洗掉了




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推 yuhjia:死國軍士官，這樣叫殺人                                   07/05 13:07
推 secretea:推!!                                                   07/05 13:07
推 dubstep:推推推推推推!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!               07/05 13:07
推 dwind:                                                          07/05 13:08
推 kc:志願役士官一堆垃圾....基本上這次逃掉，下次可能再完死人       07/05 13:09
→ kc:                                                玩           07/05 13:09
推 RockManX8:對啊…士官不是關禁閉吧…                              07/05 13:11
推 coolpixs:高調求真相                                             07/05 13:12
推 orangecookie:高調求真相!!  不管怎樣鬧出人命了不用給交代嗎?      07/05 13:13
推 tokyoto:Tom Cruise: I want the truth!                           07/05 13:13
→ tokyoto:Jack Nicholson: You can't handle the truth!             07/05 13:13
推 kidjoe:太過份啦                                                 07/05 13:14
推 mwt:拜託這次鄉民們一定要一起堅持到最後啊> <                     07/05 13:15
→ yankeehater:a few good man                                      07/05 13:15
推 yazi711:幫高調                                                  07/05 13:16
推 your135:推，志願役....                                          07/05 13:16
推 PR58:高調                                                       07/05 13:16
推 Karenshih:希望能水落石出啊~幫高調                               07/05 13:17
→ AWNESS:好熟悉的一幕阿 1年前也似曾見過 希望這次不要再被打臉了    07/05 13:17
推 james1539:給我辦到底~一個都別想閃~~要不然妳國防部長等著看       07/05 13:17
推 memalina:幫高調                                                 07/05 13:18
→ qazwsx6107:今天有立委質詢國軍部長嗎？廢物部隊                   07/05 13:19
推 huh72113:高調                                                   07/05 13:19
→ kanoki:對外 高層:都打點好了，已向各單位施壓，下封口令           07/05 13:20
→ kanoki:對內 電話紀錄:單位xxx肇生軍紀案件，全部洞八，            07/05 13:20
→ kanoki:取消榮譽假，開檢軍紀討會，加強督導                       07/05 13:20
推 ricepaddy:感恩                                                  07/05 13:20
→ kanoki:○○ : 繼續滑手機，找新玩具                              07/05 13:21
推 hollyloya:同梯推...一路好走...                                  07/05 13:23
推 JUDO610:辦死那些志願役                                          07/05 13:26
推 alan00:推                                                       07/05 13:26
推 loveu8:推這篇! 加油!!                                           07/05 13:27
噓 good5755:紅得明顯 不是MP3 是帶照相手機進去..不過軍方處置問題大  07/05 13:30
已補上 謝謝告知 但說法眾說紛紜
※ 編輯: lamerbleue      來自: 121.254.65.119       (07/05 13:34)
推 ny8656:快爆!                                                    07/05 13:31
→ good5755:我收回前話...所以軍方說謊!???                          07/05 13:32
推 Amazons:推                                                      07/05 13:35
推 smileray:高調                                                   07/05 13:35
推 narutotha:高調                                                  07/05 13:36
推 mnhjlopi:幫高調                                                 07/05 13:38
推 ltameion:家屬快走法律途徑！不然證據要被搓光光了＞＜             07/05 13:40
推 abucat:高調                                                     07/05 13:41
推 milicic2103:記者快來抄                                          07/05 13:43
推 kytem:推文支持                                                  07/05 13:43
推 scott2009:推                                                    07/05 13:46
推 qwer123441:推阿 看了真的有濃濃不爽感                            07/05 13:48
推 brownway:推啦 快點po給當事人的父母!!!                           07/05 13:51
推 timeover:推!                                                    07/05 13:55
推 noreg0094432:push!!                                             07/05 13:58
推 hsnu5566:高調 玩出人命了要有真相                                07/05 13:59
推 jeffliao1:推!!讓軍方那些垃圾全部去坐牢!!                        07/05 14:02
噓 freeway1023:莫忘督割！而且你查了軍法典沒？禁閉不是軍法？        07/05 14:04
推 jeffliao1:對了，這篇家屬有看過嗎?                               07/05 14:04
→ freeway1023:你乾脆說你是人本的軍法部門算了！                    07/05 14:04
推 diablity:幫高調                                                 07/05 14:05
推 Devillian:我昨天夢到有電視台記者要做新聞 結果被長官叫去談心事   07/05 14:06
→ Devillian:後來就只剩下部分平面媒體有guts"委婉"的寫出來了...     07/05 14:07
推 Frankshu:快揪出來，我今年要進，別害到我阿！                     07/05 14:07

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