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 作者  GodsRevival (諸神復活)                                 看板  Gossiping 
 標題  Fw: [新聞] 沒軍法威嚇怎帶兵?退將:海軍陸戰隊天堂路                      
 時間  Wed Aug  7 10:39:56 2013                                               
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※ [本文轉錄自 Militarylife 看板 #1I0N0bks ]

作者: souter (舒特) 看板: Militarylife
標題: Re: [新聞] 沒軍法威嚇怎帶兵?退將:海軍陸戰隊天堂路
時間: Wed Aug  7 05:52:34 2013

※ 引述《SuLiaen (蘇聯)》之銘言:
: 這兩天陸續看了陳大立委和某些已退將領的談話,
: 不難理解國軍為何腐敗至此卻不求進步。
: 根本的原因:活在自己的世界中、阿Q地活著。
: 軍法改革和國軍紀律有關?
: 又或者,這一個月以來的民氣打擊軍隊士氣?
: 軍隊紀律除了軍隊的訓練和大小任務的支援,
: 更重要的是,軍人自我身分的認知和生活習慣的要求。
: 洪案中,范氏平日吃喝玩樂、打卡被鄉民一一揭露,
: 出入名車重機,還外帶一票猛替他說話的玩伴。
: 這叫做有紀律?
: 冰凍三尺,絕非一日之寒。軍方馬屁的文化、表面功夫的SOP,
: 多少學長交給學弟的陋習和潛規則,才是國軍現遭人唾棄所在。
: 這些已退的軍方「老學長們」,先問問你們在職時做到了什麼,
: 再來說嘴民眾對軍方的批評和反彈吧。
: 正氣凜然的場面話誰不會說,奇怪的是,
: 身為軍人的時候,位居高位,怎麼都不試著改革呢?

講到這個心情就賭爛!!!

苦是我們特種部隊再苦,爽是那群厚顏無恥的老鼠屎在爽,可是今天事情爆出來之後
,就抓我們出來幫你們擋子彈?

X的勒!

當范佐憲一個月放十六天,我們要天天戰備假日還要因為"可能有"颱風而被緊急召回!

當陳以仁整天在813把小護士的時候,我們要武裝三千還要攀牆垂降!

當何江忠在542旅當大魔頭當土皇帝的時候,我們拿著半程票在C130上面抖給教官看!

同樣是國軍,爽的是那群垃圾,爽過頭了被人打臉就抓我們出來說:
「我們國軍不是每個都像他們一樣,我們大部分還是很精實的。」

精實個屁啦!

國防部,你野戰單位哪一個能打的?

把所有雜事丟給義務役扛,志願役負責閃躲飄,精實的訓練在哪裡?

哪一個部隊一個月打靶超過三次的?

哪一個單位天天早晚三千的?

哪一個單位基本單兵教練有教近身格鬥跟奪刀奪槍的?

叫個上兵出來成射擊姿勢十分鐘看看會不會抖?

講難聽點,我們特戰單位都沒有這麼精實再操了,你國防部還想騙誰啊?

精實的訓練就是不斷充實作假帳的經驗跟掃落葉的技巧,沒了!真的沒其它的了!

誰搞出來的?

就你們這群自私自利,只為了自己仕途的"高層"搞出來的啊!

你們真的會擔心國軍能不能保衛國家嗎?
你們真的會擔心國軍沒有作戰能力嗎?

國軍的未來 跟 自己的仕途 相比

結果我們大家都看得很明顯了不是嗎?

不要每次爛到被打臉就抓特戰單位出來救援,丟不丟臉啊?

哪個單位被爆出違紀犯法,就拿特戰部隊的畫面出來:「我們國軍很精實的,這是少數單
位,是個案!」

國慶的時候也只會抓我們這些特戰單位出來表演,你怎麼不叫542旅開台戰車出來甩尾?

為了國慶表演,我們還要調人手花整整快一個月的時間,每天去演練擒拿、奪刀奪槍跟自
由搏擊,然後再鏡頭前演得好像真的很厲害,其實全部都是套招,那群人裡面,除了幾個
有師資外,其它全部都是臨時才被抓去的,根本就不會。這麼希望我們表演,為什麼不肯
好好的讓我們扎實的去訓練呢?

有時候真的會出現一種錯覺,我們到底是當兵,還是在當演藝人員?

有沒有想過我們這些自願進特戰單位的人,其實都是有股熱血真實的想保家衛國呢?

現今的國軍裡,往上爬靠的不是戰技跟體能,靠的是心有多黑、臉皮有多厚。

也難怪這次修法之後,一堆"高階"將領跑出來跳腳,把遮羞布拿掉了,他們還能幹嗎?

說帶兵不行、說訓練也不行,更別說保家衛國了,他們連站哨都不會,義務役弟兄贏太多
了!一個人一個月還只花國家六千塊!

相較之下,看看這些將領...

現在的功用就只剩下偶爾跳出來打打嘴砲,然後爽領人民納稅錢,等時間到了就退伍領終
身俸,然後跑去對岸投資,強調自己"絕對"沒有賣國。

修法廢軍檢只是開頭,改革國軍的第一步而已!

要國軍強盛起來,訓練方面一定要改!

不廢話,不如從各單位指揮官開始做起,每天跑個三千先吧?

不要每次都小兵再跑,軍士官再偷改成績放夭八,很難看∼


P.S. 我沒有要戰役別,小弟我志願役退役,請不要用政戰手法模糊焦點。


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噓 uhmeiouramu:不爽不要當阿                                        08/07 10:40
推 obov:日行一善不爽不要當補                                       08/07 10:41
推 HOLLYQOO:真強者出來說話了                                       08/07 10:41
推 scorpio0920:推!                                                 08/07 10:41
推 DKL7392:只能推了~~~                                             08/07 10:42
推 kobejay:推!!                                                    08/07 10:42
推 EMTHWINGY:862的?                                                08/07 10:43
推 kgh:特戰真強者出來嗆了XD                                        08/07 10:43
推 audi1005:推 中肯 國軍需要改革                                   08/07 10:44
推 taebo93:講的好                                                  08/07 10:44
→ Pennyjr:我以前支援的單位真有早晚三千,不過也只有這一項有達成     08/07 10:44
推 VVizZ:莒拳隊表示:別提了 我們也只會飛踢木片阿                    08/07 10:45
推 Meclarity:曾經滿腔熱血精忠報國 換來是黑到不行的軍中制度         08/07 10:45
推 kgh:本來就是事實阿 野戰單位就只是做些白痴事                     08/07 10:46
推 mmes:當過兵都知道。 狗官在軍中有多爽                            08/07 10:46
推 stevenkuo:風大就被吹走了,怎麼甩尾?                             08/07 10:46
→ kgh:雜事多到靠北 軍官躲寢室爽                                   08/07 10:46
推 yamatobar:推這篇                                                08/07 10:46
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推 realmiddle:真男人出來講話了                                     08/07 10:47
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推 momocom:推                                                      08/07 10:49
推 whitezealman:推                                                 08/07 10:49
推 linyap:推! 這軍只會表演 早就沒辦法打仗了                        08/07 10:49
推 GOLxDxROGER:老話一句  一將功成萬骨枯                            08/07 10:49
推 yodxxxd:推啊 有夠中肯的                                         08/07 10:49
推 neoage:媽的 整天就一堆沒打過仗的星星在靠妖                      08/07 10:49
→ crossmyheart:真的有本事去跟特戰隊山訓寒訓過再出來講話           08/07 10:50
推 tryit0902:推                                                    08/07 10:50
推 johtom811113:中肯阿  推!                                        08/07 10:50
推 wrb:當兵本來就是在演戲做表面…當過兵的十之八九都有這感覺        08/07 10:51
推 leftwalk:寫的真實在!                                            08/07 10:51
推 SkY86888:真正精實的果然冒出來訐譙廢官了XD                       08/07 10:51
推 BILLYBOY:辛苦了                                                 08/07 10:51
推 cephalitis:推這篇                                               08/07 10:51
推 im155077:完了,又被突襲了XDDD                                   08/07 10:51
推 pandame:XXXX超中肯!                                            08/07 10:51
推 bbbruce:推特戰弟兄                                              08/07 10:51
推 query:推!                                                       08/07 10:52
推 bala73:還沒甩之前就先翻掉了                                     08/07 10:52
推 dragoni:中肯                                                    08/07 10:52
推 AK00627:推                                                      08/07 10:52
推 windschnee:推 ~                                                 08/07 10:52
推 CaspianY:我媽問我為什麼跪著看ptt                                08/07 10:52
推 Metallicat:去過兩棲被退訓..都撐好幾星期了 最後腳痛實在沒辦法    08/07 10:52
推 cayou:中肯推 台灣人真的寄予國軍反抗解放軍的厚望個屁             08/07 10:52
推 sfsol:中肯啊 那些星星如果離開營區走在路上 還以為是失智症老人咧  08/07 10:52
推 yuusan:爆氣拉                                                   08/07 10:52
推 killua92:請容許我轉貼                                           08/07 10:53
推 Louis0712:含原文整篇只有一個噓 1F風向測錯了嗎?                  08/07 10:53
推 QQfreedom:會被推爆得志願役!這才是軍人的精神!                    08/07 10:53
推 Sawaki:推打臉文                                                 08/07 10:53
推 srxteam0935:駐版政戰氣到眼淚快流出來了齁 不哭不哭喔ww           08/07 10:54
推 MartinGo:說出我弟的心聲                                         08/07 10:54
推 tactac38:中肯!!不推你不行                                     08/07 10:54
推 blackhippo:看戰車甩尾去砲校看就有啦..一個月3次打靶和天天3000我  08/07 10:54
→ blackhippo:之前的部隊倒是有                                     08/07 10:54
推 shinja:中肯∼                                                   08/07 10:54
推 lwowl:不推不行                                                  08/07 10:54
→ QQfreedom:像原PO這樣的只會被上面的廢官逼走吧                    08/07 10:54
推 ps124125288:有軍法又怎樣?范到處吃喝玩樂、玩重機..還不是爽得很  08/07 10:55
推 rexlin:真男人                                                   08/07 10:55
推 asstitle:看志願役和軍官快哭的臉就覺得很爽                       08/07 10:55
推 xu4fu4vu4:有神快拜                                              08/07 10:55
推 sp89005:推                                                      08/07 10:56
噓 jeremiah7932:拜託記者要抄請抄這種的好嗎? 抄那些高官的話幹嘛?    08/07 10:56
推 crossmyheart:原原PO真的要小心一點 689抓耙子很多                 08/07 10:56
推 dasnee:高層 臉 趴趴趴 boom                                      08/07 10:56
推 zonppp:中肯推                                                   08/07 10:56
推 vincentdd:推特戰                                                08/07 10:56
推 key123987:推                                                    08/07 10:57
推 jhhuang703:推                                                   08/07 10:57
推 billybbb:曹姐姐又被突襲了>"<                                    08/07 10:57
推 asimov999:推!                                                  08/07 10:57
推 ding0725:這篇完全點出義務役普遍賭攬志願役和狗官的原因           08/07 10:57
推 Arminius:我想看 542 旅的戰車甩尾。                              08/07 10:58
推 yuchuan0521:中肯                                                08/07 10:58
推 nightstory:中肯 我哭了                                          08/07 10:58
推 loveinmars:戰意十足!!!!                                         08/07 10:58
推 nekoares:好吧,只能再推一次                                     08/07 10:58
推 duck78803139:國防部,你野戰單位哪一個能打的?-->你知道的太多了  08/07 10:58
推 Liszt1025:戰神                                                  08/07 10:59
→ yukina23:一堆爛渣                                               08/07 10:59
推 nostar:軍檢早該廢了  就算重來一次牠們也會選擇掩飾               08/07 10:59
→ neoage:軍法回歸司法本來就是世界的潮流 英法德日都是軍法回歸司法  08/07 11:00
推 pretendcute:幫推                                                08/07 11:00
推 keishashine:推                                                  08/07 11:00
推 FIRZEN45:中肯                                                   08/07 11:01
推 LABOYS:這邊再推                                                 08/07 11:01
推 RickyRubio:真男人                                               08/07 11:01
→ GodsRevival:>killua92 其實我也是轉來的                          08/07 11:01
推 XieXie9527:真的,國軍精實的就少數單位而已,這些才是個案         08/07 11:02
推 realmask:不推不行                                               08/07 11:02
推 Phoesir:按表定科目操課不是凌虐 退將腦補                         08/07 11:02
→ XieXie9527:其他爛咖都是通案                                     08/07 11:02
推 xu42j0:推                                                       08/07 11:02
推 ckm0089:海陸真的有早晚三千啊Q.Q/                                08/07 11:03
推 Zekrom:頭腦清楚的志願役不少阿 爛的通常都過很爽                  08/07 11:03
推 silencerock:推 戰車甩尾XD                                       08/07 11:03
推 whalecell:推!!!                                                 08/07 11:03
推 jizz0010513:推真正的國軍!!!保護家園真的是靠你們!!!              08/07 11:03
推 sshheennrk:幫高調 記者快來抄阿!!!!                              08/07 11:03
推 AAPL:戰力滿點                                                   08/07 11:03
推 clala:推,不過就老頭子愛牽拖...                                 08/07 11:04
推 aquawill:真男人!!!                                           08/07 11:04
推 lavender75:八卦今日第一推~真男人!!特戰學長!!                    08/07 11:04
→ sshheennrk:國軍有戰力的人數大概只佔全國軍0.01%吧                08/07 11:04
推 lpb:想起當年我新訓出公差就是在幫志願役掰體測成績 = =......      08/07 11:04
推 gfneo:戰!!!!!                                              08/07 11:05
推 hankyan919:這篇太猛了.....                                      08/07 11:05
推 bitters:                                                        08/07 11:05
推 yaloti:戰力值都滿出來了呢                                       08/07 11:06
推 jois0221:我要向你敬禮                                           08/07 11:06
推 ayrtonvitas:真。男人                                            08/07 11:06
推 npc776:幹 給推 媽的小小一座島一大堆星星就是有病                 08/07 11:06
推 neck116:這不推不行.....                                         08/07 11:06
推 TaiwanJunior:                                                   08/07 11:08
推 abucat:真男人必推!                                             08/07 11:08
推 a58805082:哈,我海陸的也沒早晚3000,要醬搞的話大家都倒楣          08/07 11:09
推 hcbd:解放軍說不定也是這樣....                                   08/07 11:09
推 goshfju:看國軍一直坦護垃圾真的很火 媽的                         08/07 11:09
→ reinstall:長官做的一切就是為了升官 沒有別的了                  08/07 11:09
推 Rayio:這篇猛 那些將領真的扯                                     08/07 11:09
推 winnietslock:推  這篇一定要轉出去打那些人的臉                   08/07 11:10
推 darkofpolo:水啦!                                                08/07 11:10
推 stocktonty:我當完兵就了解為什麼中國那麼大可以短短幾年就丟掉     08/07 11:10
推 htaedamay:到底有多少志願役軍官 鑑測是合格的阿                   08/07 11:11
推 mobydick1029:讚!!!太中肯了                                   08/07 11:11
推 morgan13:真男人~國軍垃圾太多                                    08/07 11:12
推 EmptySmile:轉給那些哭爸的將軍看!!!!!!!!                         08/07 11:12
推 DemonElf:推!                                                   08/07 11:12
推 milksnakes:這種就是要推啦!!爽都they在爽                       08/07 11:13
推 silvester963:中肯                                               08/07 11:13
推 SABA0:推啦 多一點這種志願役 國軍才有救                          08/07 11:13
推 rayke:有聽過學長在台地飆砲車甩尾…                              08/07 11:13
推 ionchips:好吧 看到這篇就不再分役別  志願役還是有頭腦清醒的人    08/07 11:13
推 jay34520:推!                                                    08/07 11:14
推 hypersonic:你怎麼不叫542旅開台戰車出來甩尾?  推推推             08/07 11:14
推 sorryfly:中肯給推                                               08/07 11:15


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